Skip to content

Tuning

The order of operations matters more than the numbers. Filters first, then I, then P, then D, and the throttle curve last — change two at once and you will not know which one helped.

The order that works

Fix the mechanical problems first: balance the props, check the motor bells and soft-mount anything that carries a sensor or a camera. Then set the filters (a gyro lowpass roughly at half the frame resonance, the dynamic notch on, RPM filter on with bidirectional DShot). Then set the rates, because they change how the aircraft feels far more than the PID does. Only then tune I, then P, then D. Throttle curve is the last thing you touch on a long-range build and the first thing you touch on a ducted one.

Symptom to term

The table below is how to read what the aircraft is telling you. Almost every symptom has one term that fixes it and three that make it worse.

SymptomChange thisNot thisWhy
Nose drops when you cut throttleRaise IRaise DD damps oscillation, it does not hold attitude against gravity
High-frequency shake at full throttleLower DLower PThat is D amplifying motor noise through the frame
Slow wobble after a hard stopRaise PLower IThe aircraft is not returning to attitude fast enough
Motors hot after three packsLower D, check filtersLower PD is where most of the electrical noise ends up
Camera shake only in fast descentsFix the mountChange PIDThe mount has a resonance the tune cannot damp
Yaw drifts in a hoverCheck motor bells and frameChange yaw PA bent bell is a mechanical fault, not a tuning one
Aircraft is twitchy around centre stickRaise expoLower PExpo is the correct tool for centre-stick feel
Oscillation that grows instead of fadingLower P and D togetherRaise any termA growing oscillation is always too much gain

Rates decide more than PID

Two aircraft with identical PID values and different rates feel like different machines. Actual rates at 780 deg/s with 0.58 expo puts 110 deg/s on the first 20 percent of stick travel; the same 780 deg/s with 0.3 expo puts 220 deg/s there. Cinematic builds want the high expo, racers want the low one, and freestyle sits around 0.5 to 0.6. Change the rates before you change a single PID value.

Blackbox before opinions

A blackbox log turns a debate into a measurement. Look at the gyro trace first: if the oscillation is visible in the gyro at a frequency above 150 Hz it is noise, not tuning, and filters or mechanical work will fix it. If it is between 20 and 80 Hz it is almost always a PID term or a frame resonance. Log a 30 second flight with a full-throttle punch and a hard stop in it; that is enough to diagnose most problems.

Filter settings on file

AirframeFiltersPID profileTune sheet
5in-freestyle-baselinePT1 120 Hz / PT1 110 Hz / Biquad 90-300 Hz48 / 82 / 42Actual 780 deg/s · expo 0.58
7in-longrange-cruiserPT1 90 Hz / PT1 85 Hz / Biquad 70-220 Hz42 / 96 / 32Actual 480 deg/s · expo 0.72
3in-cinewhoop-ductedPT1 150 Hz / PT1 140 Hz / Biquad 120-400 Hz62 / 118 / 28Actual 420 deg/s · expo 0.66
65mm-whoop-indoorPT1 200 Hz / PT1 190 Hz / Off78 / 140 / 34Actual 600 deg/s · expo 0.4
5in-racing-lowslungPT1 160 Hz / PT1 150 Hz / Biquad 140-500 Hz58 / 90 / 32Actual 950 deg/s · expo 0.28
4in-sub250-longrangePT1 130 Hz / PT1 120 Hz / Biquad 100-320 Hz52 / 104 / 30Actual 520 deg/s · expo 0.65