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3.5-inch freestyle: 232 g and still under the registration line

Three and a half inches is the largest prop you can spin at freestyle rates while staying under 250 g with a real battery and a real camera. This 165 mm build lands at 232 g on 4S with 3.6 minutes of aggressive flight.

Published 165 mm · 232 g · 3.6 min

Top-down wireframe of 3_5in-freestyle-4s with wheelbase and motor KV callouts
Specification — 3_5in-freestyle-4s
Wheelbase3.5 in / 165 mm (165 mm)
Motors2600 KV
Props3.5x2.8x3
ESCBluejay · DShot300
VTX500 mW · 5.8 GHz
LinkExpressLRS 2.4 GHz · 250 Hz
AUW232 g
Flight3.6 min
Thrust to weight12.50 : 1
Rate limitActual 820 deg/s · expo 0.5
FiltersPT1 165 Hz / PT1 155 Hz
Dynamic notchBiquad 130-420 Hz
RPM filterOn (bidirectional DShot)
PID profile — P 60/64 · I 114/120 · D 32/34
time →setpoint 0%100%39A

Rates

  • Max rate — Actual 820 deg/s · expo 0.5
  • Expo — 0.5 · centre sensitivity 280
  • Throttle mid — 0.52 · expo 0.06
  • Filters — PT1 165 Hz / PT1 155 Hz / Biquad 130-420 Hz

Tuning pass

  1. Set Bluejay to 48 kHz with DShot300 and confirm all four motors start together.
  2. Enter roll P 60 / I 114 / D 32 and pitch P 64 / I 120 / D 34, then fly a throttle chop test.
  3. Set the gyro lowpass to 165 Hz and the dynamic notch to 130-420 Hz.
  4. Set 820 deg/s with 0.5 expo, a centre sensitivity of 280 and a throttle mid of 0.52.
  5. Set failsafe to Stage 2 with a 0.3 second delay and a hard drop.
  6. Weigh the finished aircraft on a kitchen scale accurate to 1 g and record the number.
  7. Fly three packs and feel the motors; above 62 degrees C, drop the throttle limit to 85 percent.

Assembly order

  1. Choose a 20x20 stack rather than a 30x30 to save 12 g and keep the sub-250 g target reachable.
  2. Solder the motors directly and trim the wires rather than coiling them.
  3. Fit an XT30 pigtail and keep the wire length under 60 mm.
  4. Mount the camera on the frame without a separate cage and check the props are out of frame at 25 degrees.
  5. Set the battery profile to 4S 850 mAh and the voltage warning to 3.5 V per cell.
  6. Weigh the aircraft with and without the battery and record both numbers.
  7. Fly a range check and confirm the failsafe before flying anywhere near people.

Why 3.5 inches is the freestyle sweet spot

A 3.5-inch prop on a 165 mm frame gives you about 70 percent of the thrust of a 5-inch at 45 percent of the weight. The result is a power-to-weight ratio that a 5-inch cannot match: 232 g with 4S 850 mAh climbs at about 9.5 m/s against 7.8 m/s for a 680 g 5-inch. It also crashes into things with 40 percent less energy, which matters when you fly around people.

1606 at 2600 KV on 4S

1606 at 2600 KV on 4S turns a 3.5x2.8x3 at about 28000 RPM at full throttle, drawing 24 A for the aircraft. At a freestyle cruise of 55 percent throttle the current is 7.2 A, giving 3.6 minutes. The motors are running close to their limit; after three packs the bells will be at about 58 degrees C, which is acceptable but leaves little margin for a hot day.

Tuning a 3.5-inch for freestyle

Roll P 60 and pitch P 64 with D at 32 and 34. The frame is small and stiff, so resonance sits high at around 240 Hz and the D term has less work to do than on a 5-inch. The value that matters most is I: 114 and 120 keep the aircraft from dropping its nose when you cut the throttle hard, which a sub-250 g aircraft does much more dramatically than a heavier one.

Rates and the throttle curve

820 deg/s with 0.5 expo and a centre sensitivity of 280. This is faster than a 5-inch freestyle profile because the aircraft is lighter and can stop the rotation quickly. The throttle mid is 0.52 with 0.06 expo: at 232 g the hover point is close to half stick, and adding expo would make the low end too soft for punch-outs.

Where the sub-250 g line is won

The list is short and unforgiving: a 20x20 stack instead of 30x30 saves 12 g, direct-soldered motors save 6 g, an XT30 instead of an XT60 saves 5 g, and no camera cage saves 9 g. Everything else on this aircraft is the same hardware a 5-inch uses. If you are 8 g over, the answer is the battery, not the frame.

Build parts

  • Frame - 165 mm, 4 mm arms, sub-250 g target
  • Motors - 4 x 1606 2600 KV
  • ESC - 4-in-1 35 A, Bluejay 0.21
  • Flight controller - F7 20x20 mm
  • Props - 3.5x2.8x3
  • VTX - 5.8 GHz 500 mW, 20x20 mm
  • Receiver - ExpressLRS 2.4 GHz, 250 Hz
  • Battery - 4S 850 mAh 95C LiPo
  • Camera - micro analogue, 1/2.3 in sensor

Common mistakes

  • Building to 246 g and then adding a 10 g antenna upgrade, which pushes the aircraft over the line.
  • Running a 30x30 stack and a camera cage out of habit, which costs 21 g for no benefit at this size.
  • Using a 5-inch freestyle tune on a 3.5-inch and getting oscillation at 240 Hz that the D term cannot fix.

What matters

  • 232 g on 4S 850 mAh climbs at about 9.5 m/s against 7.8 m/s for a 680 g 5-inch.
  • 1606 at 2600 KV cruises at 7.2 A for 3.6 minutes; the motors run close to their limit.
  • I term, not D, is what stops a sub-250 g aircraft dropping its nose on a throttle chop.
  • 820 deg/s suits a 232 g aircraft because it can stop the rotation quickly.
Wheelbase 165 mm All-up weight 232 g Flight time 3.6 min Motors 2600 KV ESC Bluejay · DShot300